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Time to build a new PC.
« on: May09-2015, 16:57:52 »
As the title says, it is time.  My last desktop died a couple of years ago in a fire-y overclocking accident.  I know there are crazy options available, but I'm focusing primarily on high-end gaming performance without having to take out a loan or sell a kidney to get it. 

Right now I'm looking at an LGA-1150 CPU/mobo over the newer LGA 2011-v3 mainly for cost reasons.  But according to my research, the 2011 CPUs only give an increase in framerate performance when you step up to triple SLI, and I can't afford 3 GPU's.  I'm also choosing the GTX970 over the 980 for cost reasons.

Here's my parts breakdown:

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369

MoBo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132508

RAM (x2, total of 32GB) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231589
   
GPU (x2) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487090

SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147426

Additionals:

RAM Cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835236002

CPU Cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181088

Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139048


I still need to select a PSU.


I'm looking for feedback if anyone knows of better options.  I'm pretty sure everything I've selected is compatible.  Total price tag right now is ~$2400.
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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #1 on: May09-2015, 18:05:43 »
That computer will be a beast. The intel K series is some serious hardware, I've been very impressed with mine. My single GTX 670 is still beasting everything that it encounters.

Full tower, awesome. I love mine.

Only thing is I'm guessing you have a larger regular HDD for general storage? 500g doesn't go too far these days. Also there are some new hybrid hard drives that are supposed to be a more cost effective performance increase over the regular hard drives. Not sure if you'd even need this as a secondary, prices didn't seem too bad on them though.

As for a PSU I wouldn't go under 1000w running those gpu's.

I'm also not that big of a hardware junky, I can't really tell the difference in 10 framerates or even 30-50 once you get over 100. And at some point you bottleneck on your monitors refresh rate so no matter what your gpu is rendering you really won't see a difference.

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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #2 on: May09-2015, 19:47:07 »
I've got storage HDD's coming out of my ears from past builds, so I'm good there.

Definitely going to sleep on this for a while first.  I will hopefully be able to pull the trigger on it within a week or two.
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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #3 on: May10-2015, 09:12:05 »
I second on that Intel i7 K series, you won't go wrong with this cpu and it will last you a long time. If I were to upgrade, I'll get this one too! I have an Intel i7 920 series (abt 6-7 years old) and it is still rocking. I just progressively upgrade my graphics card every couple of years. I could do with more ram but will have to change the entire setup.

What games do you mainly play? What resolutions do you play at? These will have a factor on whether you need SLI, triple SLI etc. Your mileage may vary. I know you want high-end gaming performance but another way to look at it is also from a value for money perspective. Imagine if you're playing only on 1600x1200, then a dual SLI may be overkill. However, if you're playing on full HD or 4k, or some graphics intensive games, then by all means go for max.

What about monitor? Are you looking at buying monitors? Dual or triple screen?

Are you intending to overclock? Are you leaving this pc on to download stuff? If so, make sure the psu you select is efficient. Most if not all psus are pretty efficient nowadays. Efficient = less hot too. But not only that, it is also about getting a quality psu with good components and that has a higher correlation to a longer life psu. I like Enermax, Seasonic (using one for last 6-7 years), but I know some people swear by Corsair, Antec or Cooler Master.

Have you seen this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G28N1703

That is a nice case. Are you intending to bring it to lan party? If so it'll be heavy. If you're just leaving it at home that's fine. I can see why you're getting this case, I assume it's partly for the cooling installation?

Good luck!

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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #4 on: May10-2015, 19:22:20 »
I typically play at 1920x1200, and I've got a good monitor already. GTAV and Batman: Arkham Knight are the two I'm most looking forward to.   No LAN parties, so no worries about weight.

I had my eye on that EVGA power supply, but I also found this one:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139057

I know it's not quite as nice, but what's the main difference between Gold and Platinum besides a few percentage points of efficiency?

I also think I've changed my mind on the case, I want something with a lot more options in terms of setup, especially for liquid cooling.  This one is a little less expensive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133244

Also considering a slightly less pricey version of the GTX970.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121899
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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #5 on: May15-2015, 23:53:14 »
If you like to know more about the PSU certification, you can read it here. In a nutshell, the higher it is the higher the efficiency. Similarly to CPU and graphics card, the more you pay, the value you get is lesser from a cost/performance perspective.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus

In reality, 80 plus Gold and Platinum is not that huge of a difference. You will be chasing a couple % off to get Platinum. The Corsair you mentioned would be good enough. I have an 80 plus bronze and I'm happy as Larry. Other things to watch out for is fan noise (lower the better) and modularity of the cables and it looks like this Corsair tick both boxes.

I'm using an Asus GTX 760, with similar fan design to the one you found. I choose this one as I wanted a low noise graphics card. The Asus fulfils that. Note during intensive gaming you may hear more of the fan noise but generally it is pretty good. If you are going to SLI the GTX 970, your setup will be future proof for 4k gaming (should you go to that).

Food for thought, if you don't want to spend that much money yet, you can always go for a single GPU setup. When the time comes for 4k gaming, upgrade the GPU to fit your higher gaming profile.

Another thing, what do you want to get out of your CPU cooler? Low noise, low temperature, overclocking your CPU? Have you looked at this one? Similar to the Corsair but slightly cheaper but Cooler Master is generally more well known in the liquid cooling space. Beware, this cooler can be noisy if you ramp up the voltage for extreme overclocking.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103198&cm_re=Liquid_CPU_Cooler-_-35-103-198-_-Product

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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #6 on: May16-2015, 16:10:20 »
Thanks Spri.

I'm not planning on doing any overclocking at this point, but the option would be nice.  The liquid cooler is mainly to cut noise.  I originally chose the Corsair so that I could be sure it would be compatible with the case, and it was slightly higher rated than the Cooler Master.  I have a Cooler Master V8 air cooler which I like, but it's fuggin enormous and takes up the whole case.

On the GPUs, my thinking was to go for the future proof setup like you mentioned.  My fear  is that if I get just a single card now, when I want to upgrade to SLI that particular card may no longer be available.  Buying two more cards down the road seems unnecessary, but I probably should save the cash now and invest in two Titans when their price comes down.

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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #7 on: May17-2015, 14:02:43 »
Frankly, I do not think you will go wrong with either of the Corsair or Cooler Master CPU liquid cooler. Both have adjustable fan speed/voltage, both will get noisy at higher voltage, and both will pair nicely with the CPU you want. Lastly, both will give you the capability to overclock should you decide to do that in the future. One is slightly more expensive but I say go with the brand you prefer.

Here is a review to help you make a decision (should you choose Corsair) 
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h110i_gt_review,1.html

I know what you mean by a particular GPU card may no longer be available. By that time, Titans will be mid-range or perhaps retired, and there will be a faster single slot GPU with the same if not definitely better performance than the old dual SLI.

Might I suggest looking at the Nvidia GTX 980 for a single card setup vs a SLI. To save me writing, I'll quote from one of many tech sites (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-6.html)

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At $550, the GeForce GTX 980 delivers such compelling frame rates that we find it hard to recommend multi-card configurations able to serve up better performance per dollar, since they sometimes suffer from inconsistent results in comparison to a graphics card with a single GPU.

Like we mentioned on the first page of this piece, though, the best reason to consider CrossFire or SLI is for playable performance at 3840x2160. In that situation, you want cards with plenty of on-board memory. Two GeForce GTX 970s would be a great place to start, followed by a pair of 980s, if you have the cash. A couple of Radeon R9 290Xes would make our list, though the 295X2 makes that option redundant.

Again, scaling up to a trio of QHD displays, or even three 4K screens would necessitate additional graphics horsepower. Multiple GeForce GTX Titan X cards might sound nice. However, we originally saw some graphical glitches with GM200s in SLI. At this point, we're not sure if they've been resolved through driver updates; further testing is required before we endorse this combination.


Have a read of this GTX 980 review - http://hothardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-980-and-970-cards-from-msi-evga-and-zotac-reviewed

Have a look at this GTX 980 card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127834&cm_re=msi_gtx_980-_-14-127-834-_-Product

Free Batman Arkham Knight with a GTX 980 purchase (available on Newegg too) http://www.geforce.com/FreeAdventures
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/batman-arkham-knight-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-nvidia-geforce-gtx-bundle

Seeing you want to play GTA V, see the benchmark stats for the various Nvidia GPUs. If you think you cannot live with those fps, then SLI.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1905-gta-v-pc-fps-benchmark-graphics-cards

In short, I won't recommend SLI seeing you are not on 4k gaming yet. However if you have money to burn, want to future proof and every fps count, why not!

I'm excited for you! You got to take a picture of your new baby when it is up.
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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #8 on: May19-2015, 15:35:39 »
Ok, I think I have it.  Thanks again Spri for the input, you've helped greatly. The Tom's Hardware article you linked convinced me to save the cash and go with the single GTX980. 

I think I like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487089

And that opens up new possibilities.

The lower power consumption means that I can safely reuse my EVGA 750w gold rated PSU.  I shouldn't need to upgrade to 1000w or more until I finally go SLI.

I'm also not going to get the M.2 SSD yet, I'm going to wait for prices to come down.  I have 2 SATA 6.0Gbps drives that I can set up in RAID 0, which should be good enough for a while anyway. 

I just saved about $800.

Therefore, I shall go ahead and step up the mobo/CPU to the 2011-v3 socket.  More cores equals better performance in my non-gaming needs (music production), and the future proofing with 40-lane PCIe, M.2, and USB 3.1 make it a more attractive platform overall.

mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132506
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117403
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148867

With everything else the same as before, total cost is ~$2220 with shipping, +2 free games (Batman, and Witcher 3).  Not bad.

   
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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #9 on: May20-2015, 14:06:24 »
The EVGA GTX 980 is good too. The review link that I included has this brand covered too (but for the GTX 970). Based on what I've read, the ACX fan stays at a low rpm or silent (fan off) at a certain temperature. It starts to spin up faster when it gets hotter. This is a good thing.

By any chance your 2 x SATA 6.0Gbps drives are SSD? If not, I will suggest going with an SSD at least (does not have to be the M.2). If it is SSD, I would not recommend raiding it. This Sandisk Extreme Pro is one of the fastest SATA SSD right now and cheaper than the M.2 by almost half.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171999&ignorebbr=1
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8170/sandisk-extreme-pro-240gb-480gb-960gb-review/8

If you're going for the Crucial DDR4s, you may want to consider either of these. They're faster and cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231796
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231795

With the CPU, something worth knowing is that if you are intending to go 3 or 4 way GPU in the future, the Haswell-E CPU you have chosen will support that optimally. However the Asus Deluxe will only support 3 way GPU. Just want to make sure you know what you are getting with the Haswell-E series CPU, have a read of this -
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-4.html

I'm not saying the Haswell-E CPU is not good. In fact, it is the top of the line. If you want the absolute best, this is it.

From a value perspective, the rule of diminishing return kicks in with higher end CPUs. If you are purely looking at value and at the Haswell-E, most people will recommend the Intel Core i7-5820K over the 5930k. There is only a 200mhz difference. Depending on your usage, that may translate into several percentage points faster. The question for you is, is it worth spending an extra $180 for that?

You should also know that the Intel Core i7-5820K pairs better with 1 to 2 GPUs. Anything more it does not perform optimally due to lesser PCI Express lanes. If after reading all this, you feel that you still want maximum performance and is happy to pay for that, I say go!  :yh:

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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #10 on: May20-2015, 20:34:15 »
I chose the 5930k CPU over the 5820k for the additional PCIe lanes.  The Asus Deluxe board comes with an expansion card for USB 3.1, and another for an additional M.2 slot.  I was thinking that I would save the cash on an SSD now, and get an M.2 (or two) around Christmas time.  That way I could have 2 M.2 drives (drool), and have enough lanes open to utilize their full speed potential.

However, I will also be adding a PCIe Firewire expansion card for use with my audio equipment, so I need to plan for that as well.   Now I'm worried that this board may only be able to fit one graphics card if I were to add all 3 expansion cards, and so I would lose my future proof SLI options.  I'm not going to be doing any HD video rendering or medical imaging, so it's unlikely I'd ever need to go up to triple or quad SLI.  2 graphics cards is likely the max I would ever need or want to run. 

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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #11 on: May21-2015, 07:28:17 »
I would like to eventually be able to upgrade to dual SLI and dual M.2 (one on a PCIe slot).  After re-reviewing the ASUS specs, I realized that board can't support both. 

But I'm pretty sure this one can:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130838

And the best part is, with combo deals on Newegg, I could pick up that Mobo, the 5930K CPU, and this 2800 speed RAM: 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231824&ignorebbr=1

...and it will cost less overall than if I go with the 2400 RAM and the ASUS board.
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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #12 on: May21-2015, 18:03:21 »
I would like to extend my apologies to the rest of the Company for dumping my brains out on the forums, but it helps me to get my thoughts in order.  We're in the home stretch. 

This is the total order as of right now.

Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130838
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117403
GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127834
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231824
SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171999

Firewire Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124107
Liquid Cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181088
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139048

$2453 with shipping.  I'm still debating on whether or not to get that SSD.


Edit:

I'm probably going to end up with a more conservative motherboard.  Right now the PCIe and M.2 features are confusing me, and it's hard to know exactly what each one is capable of. 


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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #13 on: May23-2015, 06:02:06 »
Not sure if anyone is reading this, or even cares at this point, but I put together a totally different build with roughly the same budget and came out with about twice the machine.  I think this would be a more intelligent use of my money and deliver much higher performance.


CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117402
Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130840
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231799
GPU x2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487089
SSD x2 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147372
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438019

Cooler and case remain the same, overall price difference is negligible.  SSDs in RAID 0 and dual GTX 980s would be formidable.

I really hope this is the last time I'll update this thread until I place the order.
« Last Edit: May23-2015, 06:20:02 by jackroller »

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Re: Time to build a new PC.
« Reply #14 on: May23-2015, 08:42:46 »
Between reading and replying to your earlier post on the combo, it looks like you have updated your build. I'll read through and comment shortly.